Stephen Campbell 0:00
Go after being purposeful is I always think of what is life is about, you know, what is this really about after my entire life? What will I look back on to say, you know, I have lived a life that was filled with purpose. And just thinking that way every day, I get up, going after what is meaningful, instead of what tries to enrich me physically, you know, what tries to get money in the bank, but I'm trying to always look at the long term.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 0:59
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[email protected]. or message me on Twitter, no code wealth and let's begin a conversation. My guest today is Stephen Campbell, from the University of West Indies, St. Augustine campus to be in a coordinator at the rapport charity foundation from being the founder and co owner at candles investment LLC, a domain name driven web development business focused on creating value added web solutions for clients to be in the founder at no code makers.com a forum to learn, discuss, and partner with no code makers no code makers.com Stephen is a Chemical and Process engineer by profession know code maker by practice since September 2020, officially, and when he feels really passionate about an idea he feels himself out by searching through domain names and seeing if he feels strongly enough about it to register a domain. Steven, how are you today?
Stephen Campbell 4:38
I'm doing great as is thanks for having me. What an introduction. That was marvelous.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 4:45
Thank you so so so much. And to begin this in the right way. I would like to ask you a question. That is a bit unusual but always interesting these days. Lately, what have been on your mind that you have been thinking about? And contemplating? That seems important for you?
Stephen Campbell 5:10
Very interesting question, whoa, I didn't expect that. I would say I'm thinking of the future, a lot, I would say I'm thinking 10 years, 15 years down the line, what would I be doing? You know, a lot of the mornings, I get up, and I get up very early. In the mornings, as of late, I do a lot of introspection and meditation. And I'm thinking about my life, what I am called to do, and what I will be doing for the rest of my life. That is a lot of what has been in my thoughts. Not even necessarily no code. I love that space. And I love what I'm doing right now. But I am thinking about the higher purpose, what is it that I was created to do?
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 6:09
I love that answer. So you wake up very early, you meditate, reflect on the future, and what you were called to do and put on this earth to do Correct, correct. And then let's explore this. And you mentioned no code. But the interesting thing is, the audience is no code. But anything that will add value. That's what we will focus on. And now I have a thing that I would like to ask, Was there a moment or a period in your life, where you realize the value and importance of doing what you're called to do? And maybe you felt you are on the wrong path when it comes to your future? And maybe, if I may call it destiny, and that fired in you the importance of finding your calling in life?
Stephen Campbell 7:05
Yes, yes, there was that moment, I would say, it was about three years ago, maybe sometime in 2018, where I was doing well, in my job, I would say that, and I was getting very comfortable there. And I was, you know, looking to acquire some assets, and, you know, progress in life. I was married only one year. And I just started on a journey, that I can't explain it. But I really wanted to get wisdom and understanding. Because the country in which I live, I live in Jamaica, it's a country that is very hard. And even being in the height of my career, it dawned on me that it would be very difficult to navigate for the next couple of years to achieve the goals that I wanted to. So I was in search of wisdom, understanding, how would I deal in this country? How would I be champion? How would I, you know, go about my life in this country. And I started to read the Bible. I am a Christian. And it led me to some parts of the Bible, in Ecclesiastes, and in job and in the Proverbs. And then I started to see an aspect of life that I did not know. So I wanted to get more wisdom. And I started to pray for wisdom. And in that process, I realized that the path that I was on wasn't necessarily the path that would make the greatest use of my time, and all of the skills and talents that I had. So that that was where I realized maybe I'm on the wrong path, and I should find a new path. And that's where the journey began.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 9:11
Thank you. So if I understood correctly, you are married in 2017. And then in 2018, you are doing well in your job, you wanted to acquire assets. But because you live in Jamaica, which is a difficult country, you wanted wisdom and understanding in order to navigate it. Because otherwise, it's very difficult and hard to do in Jamaica. And through your exploration and search for wisdom. You came to the Bible, and there are specific parts that spoke to you. And let you understand that there is an opportunity cost as Warren Buffett would call it, and that the path you are in now is in the best use of your talents. And if your abilities and that there is a higher path, and this path, we might call your calling, is this correct? That is correct, you can find it. Well, thank you. And to dive a bit deeper into this, since you said, the Bible and that wisdom that was there was a part of life that you didn't know too much about, well, what kind of a few nuggets or ideas of wisdom that you found there that really spoke to you and touched you at a deep level, that maybe when you share, now, a listener might get curious or even be touched in the same way?
Stephen Campbell 10:45
Okay, so the first thing I realized was that wisdom is freely given to everybody that asks, but there is one condition, in that you have to be firm in your belief, and firm in your faith. I don't remember the Scripture, but it's also in the Bible, where if any man asks, If any man would require wisdom, is freely given, you know, unless, you know if you don't waver in faith. And I was after that, and I believe that I would acquire this wisdom. And in searching out, I found that going after things, and going after a particular outcome in life, like, for example, acquiring a certain job status, or a job title, acquiring a certain salary grade, by spending time in our company, acquiring certain achievements, like projects, and so on. Reaching to those levels, is really nothing compared to a life that is meaningful in that you are doing something purpose driven. So instead of being task driven, and time driven, that you use up your time to complete tasks, I found that being purpose driven, and prioritizing different things that came to me would lead to a position of great wealth. I also found that wealth is not only defined by money, it's, it's also about having time, to, you know, think, when I was in my job, I had no time to even think I would come home. And I just couldn't think because work was always on my mind. And I would be trying to balance my life, I had so many things going on, having the time to think was so wonderful to me, you know, also outside of time, having the time to think was having time for family, you know, having time to visit my grandparents having time to think about my parents, you know, and not only my, my immediate circumstances are what was immediately in front of me. So those things those nuggets, is what I extracted from, you know, my reading, and I started to write things down as to what, what the future would look like, if I was purpose, purpose driven, you know, how would I be impacting people? How would it look like you're or what would it look like if I was walking in that particular purpose?
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 13:43
Thank you. And actually, the definition of no code wealth is exactly what you're speaking about. Because some people contact me, they're like, you're not speaking about investment and wealth, things like that. But wealth is not only you know, about that is actually what you said. So okay, if I understood you correctly, you will read in the Bible, that when someone is firm and unwavering in their faith, they will be given wisdom freely. And therefore, one of the things you realize is when you were chasing or anyone is chasing status, achievement, or salary and money only, you might get those, but that is not the highest wealth possible, that there is higher wealth, which is the ability to have time to think time to spend for you, with your family, and the ability to be purpose driven. Because when you are purpose driven, you can impact people, as well as feel that your life is meaningful. Is this a correct understanding?
Stephen Campbell 14:53
That's correct. It's exactly James chapter one, verse five. It says, If any man, if any of you lack wisdom, moment let him ask of God that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. Right. So yes, you actually calculate that correctly.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 15:12
Thank you. And that's very beautiful. And because in linguistics there are concepts that will be called as umbrella concepts that can mean different things to different people. Can you explain what is your own definition of wisdom? And if you were to define three characteristics of someone who has received wisdom, what would this be?
Stephen Campbell 15:37
Whoa, wisdom is the application of knowledge, I would say. Because on this journey, I, one of the first things that started to happen was, I started to go after knowledge. So I wanted to understand what happened in World War Two. You know, I became obsessed with World War Two, what really happened? You know, what happened with World War One? What, what happened in the Gulf War, I became obsessed with these things. I wanted to know, what is the history of the world? Where are we coming from, you know, what happened? In the Old Testament of the Bible, I started to become obsessed with these things. But the thing was, how is this significant today, you know, what has history taught us? You know, and I reached out to some philosophers as well. And I was reading their work, and I started to look into these things. So, you know, getting that knowledge was good, it's fine. But applying that knowledge in today's world would, you know, bring us to a level where we can say, you know, I'm making this decision, because I know this, and this is an informed decision. And I would say that someone has gotten wisdom, when they have applied the principles of what they have learned. And that comes from knowing things. If someone has wisdom, I would say they have a few characteristics. They are not moved a lot by physical things. So for example, a nice house or a nice car, or a particular fusion outcome, they're not moved by a particular outcome. Because that, that there's a specific principle that gives you that result. So they're not necessarily chasing all the time, right? They're not chasing, and also a person that has wisdom, can find the meaningful things out of life, that is not linked to the masses. So the crowd will be going after a particular thing. Let's Let's even say for the no code movement, you know, a person that is wise approaching the Norcold movement? Yes, it is a trend. But what is the overarching principle behind no code, instead of chasing the trend or chasing what is happening or chasing what everybody's doing, the wise person is able to find the overarching principle and apply that principle. Also, I'll try to find a third point, I would say a wise person knows the meaning of what they are doing. They are not aimlessly going after, you know, various things, what they have meaning. For example, if I am creating an application, and it's coming from a place of creativity, am I just going after the income? You know, am I just going after the public applause? You know, how, how much traffic we'll get, you know, but is it coming from a place of deep within where I am helping a larger purpose, I am contributing to a larger cause. That I would say is wisdom, the characteristics in a person that has wisdom.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 19:29
Thank you. So if I understood correctly, wisdom, is the application of knowledge and knowledge is potential wisdom, and that you had periods in your life where you are obsessed, learning about what happened, and the Second World War and the first word war, and the Gulf War and in the Old Testament, and then you thought a bit deeper, and you found that when you find the overarching principles that govern the what the meaningful impact, then when you focus on those, you don't need to chase an outcome, or chase the vanity that the masses will applaud, whether it's traffic or even more money, but no time, and it's like a golden cage. And in reality, the person Wisdom means to understand why you are doing, what you're doing, and how it links to a bigger purpose, and therefore, you have meaning. And you have that peace of mind of knowing you're on the right path, because you're not chasing like chicken with its head got going in all directions, not knowing what is happening. But you have that groundedness that comes from being process oriented. But is this a correct understanding? Could we say it in other words, that wisdom is to understand the process and to focus on the process. Without looking at the outcome too much, yes, you have a direction. But you have faith and trust, that if you do the right process, and you keep time to think and time, for faith and time for family, that you will get a great outcome that is meaningful, because you're moving in the direction of impact, meaning and wisdom, rather than trying to run too fast, and chasing the outcome and leave in no time for the wealth of time, and family, and faith and connection. Is this a correct understanding? And what comments, could you add more about this
Stephen Campbell 21:45
wonderful as these wonderful, is wonderful. I would add another comment, a part of a part of this process. As you mentioned, Wisdom is understanding the process is a level of internal order that you have in your life that contributes to the external activity. So everything you're doing externally, is being driven by a state of orderliness internally. And that is something that I have been reading and coming to understand, I'm reading a book called ordering your private world by Gordon McDonald. And it just speaks to a state of getting under control your internal affairs, that they will govern your external activity.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 22:42
Thank you. So when you have in order, in many ways, it could be sad, like another book, which I like, but the blog about it is much better than the book by JD Mayer, which is getting results the eyes all way. And in it, he speaks that actually, there is a different difference in productivity between different hours that you might have in the week. And the more you have order in your life, the more you'll have what he calls power hours. And when you have one of those hours, it's like one hour is more productive than two days or one full day of work from someone else. And because we will be focused, you will be like you said, purpose driven. And you will have inspiration and then I have to ask you since you said yes, there is this thing that even Kobe Bryant rip used to say talk about and even Carl Jung, et cetera, that when you are on your purpose, it feels like you're a tool to a higher power that is working through you. And everything you touch seems to work better. The ideas flow and wonder as well way and it seems like your power is multiplied because you're plugged to something a lot stronger. While if you're not like to that and you're running, chasing being aimless, although your aim is riches, etc. But it's still aimless because it doesn't have substance. You might work a lot, but it's weak and shallow. Do you have did you have such an experience? Or can you comment on this ability or feeling or productive superpower that comes from being connected and plugged into a higher power? And is this something you choose you try to receive by directing yourself more and more towards your faith?
Stephen Campbell 24:44
Okay, so I will start by saying that I'm a very hard worker. And I often say that there's nobody that can beat me at hard work. You know, I'm coming from a place where in university if you know what we're on My final project, when I had the task to do that, I spent so much time working hard at that, that I couldn't tell when it was morning or night, I would just work around the clock. And you know, I would, I would go outside to look. And I would say, I'm wondering if it's night or it's morning, because the only breaks that I would take is just, you know, to eat, and to have a little nap. But I have known how to work hard for as long as I can remember myself. And when I transition from my job coming into this space, I would work up to 1618 hours for the day, you know, just trying to learn what it is like to do a business online. And in all of that time that was consumed, it didn't start to turn over until I took a step back, taking that step back to see that it's not what I'm doing, per se that is going to bring about a result, but how I am seeing my entire scenario or situation and what I'm going after that will help me so on the point that you know going after something is not necessarily going to give you purpose field result, I have been there. And I have found that when I have you know left things up to the the purpose field outcome. And I would call that whatever God has, for me, I have submitted myself to that. Right I, I have given myself over to his will, and what he has destined for me. So when I work No, I still do work hard. That's something that I don't believe anybody can escape, I still do work very hard. But it's not that I'm thinking that this hard work will almost always result in this particular outcome. I work hard, and I motivated to work hard because I know that there's something welling up inside of me to do this work. When I get up, I feel energized to go and do this work. And before, I didn't really have that feeling like before, when I was on that first path where I just had to do this in order to live, I didn't have that motivation. So for example, I had to get to work by eight. And I'm not saying that a job is not the path because I believe that in the future, I might work a job again. And it might be soon I'm not closing that out. But I'm seeing when I was on a path that wasn't I think I wasn't aligned with it would be so hard for me to get up. In the mornings, I'm just doing eight hours of work. You know, I know, I would say I'm doing, you know, 12 hours of work. And it's hard to stay asleep in the morning, I'm literally trying to stay asleep for much longer to not get up. And I'm just getting up. And I spend about two hours, two to three hours in the morning, just getting my day started. And it is such a difference in doing you know, driven work where the driving force is a particular outcome as against doing purpose field called work.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 28:29
Thank you for that wonderful thing. And if I understood correctly, this is what I'm hearing. It's what in some business, science and management they will call and I love how you're defining it the difference between intrinsic motivation and extrinsic motivation, where if someone is driven by an extrinsic motivation, in this case, like you said, an outcome they are not It's not welling up inside them and coming from inside them. So they might be or behave in a less productive or lazy way. But it's only because they're not on their calling. But when they trust in their calling, and submit to the plan that God has for them. Therefore, something inside them will fire up. And there will be a level of passion where they can work a lot and be even more productive. You said that nobody can escape hard work, but the quality and desire and the happiness and fulfillment is much different. And therefore, to have a purpose driven life basically or purpose driven way of approaching everything. It's to understand that your purpose is your most productive and best use of your talents of your abilities like you said, and of your resources. Is and finding this is the highest priority. Because yes, you can work very hard at the wrong thing. Or, as they say in the Bhagavad Gita, which is a Hindu kind of religious texts, that is much, much better to spend your life and fail on your own path. That is your dharma or your destiny, then to succeed, following the wrong path or the path, that is not your purpose. So that's what they say that actually you will suffer succeed in the past, that is not your purpose, and you will be much more fulfilled failing at the past, which is your purpose, please comment on this, as well as speak about being purpose driven more, which you said it means being a following your calling? Well, do you know it? Or do you have hints about it? Or if someone would like to discover it? What do you think is the right way? For them to understand it? Is it to take time to reflect and meditate about it? And think? Or is it to look for signs that will be telling them when they're going in the right direction? Or not? Or what will be the way anything that touches your heart? I know I said many things, just please share.
Stephen Campbell 31:21
Okay, let me just say, finding your purpose, I believe strongly is rooted in finding God. Right? I am a Christian. And on my path, I, I look to the Creator, who created me to tell me what to do, right? I'm sure there many persons listening, who have different religious beliefs, I'm not trying to be dogmatic or anything. That's not how I operate. But God has a purpose for every human being on the planet, every human being on the planet with the person believes in him, or they don't believe in Him, He is the one that determines the purpose of individuals, right? Okay. If you are less religious, I still believe that the answer will come from God because there are certain principles in the world that have been established that if you follow them, you will reach to a certain destination, right? Whether whether your belief system is misplaced or not. What I believe is that, yes, self reflection, yes, meditation, yes, looking for certain indications, because a part of a part of my approach is going through the door that is open. So if there is, for example, a job interview that I have, I will go to the interview, I am not going to put up any roadblocks to it, I would go to the interview and do my best if I am successful, and it is in line with the path that is inside of me, that will bring about that purpose filled life, then I will walk through that door, if I am not successful with that interview, is just another closed door and I'm redirected. Those are the things that I would look out for but it's not necessarily signs, but it's an internal motivation. And I think that internal motivation comes only from the Creator that is my belief for persons who don't believe that there is still an indication internally, whenever you are misaligned, or you are doing something that you are not called to do, there is an internal feeling of upset, right? No, we have to balance this notion, you could be in a place where you're doing a task or a job or you're freelancing or your business owner and there is an upset feeling. But that opposite feeling is more of you need to get this action done. Or you need to change how you are going about it, how you are thinking about where you are and just adjust yourself and get back in line not necessarily to change a path right but there is a feeling of a misalignment. And I can give some practical examples always being dreamed all these being tired. Always being overly stressed out. There is something that is off there because it's either you are very disorganized, or you are a miss aligned with your purpose, you know, so yeah, I would say that
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 35:00
Thank you. So if I understood correctly, the creator has a calling and a purpose for everyone, whether they have their faith is aligned with that or not. And the way to know about that, if I understood correctly, is two things. One is an internal feeling that if you're not on that path, you feel misaligned. And of course, there are normal frustrations of life. But that is not the same feeling is the feeling of either stress of a task not finishing on the right way, or fast enough, or not yet seeing the results or something, a failure that you will learn from, but if there is a feeling of being drained, misaligned, wishing to spend more time in bed, rather than waking up fired, but then you are not. And there are doors, who will open up, go through those doors and sense, do they give you that right feeling of motivation, and passion, if you feel that inner feeling, then you are going in the direction of your purpose, and you're aligning to it. And if you're not getting that feeling and getting the opposite feeling, then you're misaligned to your purpose, and everyone on this earth, the creator has a purpose for them. And in many ways, the best use of their talent, ability and effort is to find that purpose, that calling and then to give and submit themselves, to the will of the Lord through that path. And that purpose and that calling, and that they will receive more impact, more wealth, more results, but not in terms of status, or just vanity, or just money. But both a deeper sense of fulfillment, as well as the ability to connect with their faith deeper, to be more motivated, and to connect with their families, and with their purpose and therefore feel that they are truly on the right path, which is priceless. Is this a correct understanding?
Stephen Campbell 37:30
That is correct as he is That is correct. And I just want to say this, I personally have a biblical worldview, where everything that I do, and everything that I am, is, is examined through the Bible. So I use the Bible as a mirror, you know, the words that are written in the Bible, I use it as a mirror, even when feelings are there. What is written in the book for me is greater than even my feelings, because I'm aware that some feelings can be deceptive as I was trying to touch on in the previous statement, some feelings can be deceptive, and they cannot be trusted. But in my personal journey, I have a biblical worldview. And what the Bible says about my life is what I accept. And here's what I walk in.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 38:33
Thank you. So the Bible is your mirror. And please speak more about that personal process of understanding about your life from the Bible. Is it literal? That the words that are there? That's what you take? Or is it that words there will trigger ideas and images in your mind? And therefore, the understandings or insights that come? That is what you take, as the sign and the message? Or is it you read them? And then sometime, when you're running or thinking of something else, something comes to your mind as an insight? Or is it you take it and you reflect on it? And you study it purposefully, until you extract the meaning?
Stephen Campbell 39:23
Okay, so the Bible can be seen as a history book. It can be seen as a fictional story. It can be seen as a work of poetry, it can be seen as just a few men, just writing what they have experienced. But what is it what is greater than just seeing the book in that way is that it's really a spiritual book, and it's a manual for the life of every human being. So the words in the Bible are spirit and their life so When I read the Bible, there is a context and a history and a meaning for that time when it was written. So I have to understand the time that it was written and what for, and who wrote it and why they wrote it. There is also a spiritual meaning, which can only be discerned by a person who has God inside of them who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. And it can only be designed in that way. And it can be only applied to your life through revelation, right, and I'm using some words that might not be familiar to a couple of your listeners. But it's the meaning that is in the book is, is set, it's it's one particular meaning there's no secret interpretation, there's no interpretation for individuals, but you can extract meaning from it for your personal life, based on what the Spirit reveals to you based on what God reveals to you. So in my personal experience, I extract meaning from it, based on what has been revealed to me, and how how I go about learning and studying the Bible is with an approach where I'm not trying to put a meaning onto it, I'm trying to forget about what I think it means. I'm not trying to put my personal meaning, but I'm trying to study it in the context in which it was written, and trying to get an answer as to what this means for me today. That's how I approach it.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 41:52
Thank you, and you have a powerful story of revelation that touched you deeply that you wish to share.
Stephen Campbell 42:02
Okay, on my journey, I realized that I, for my life, personally, a part of my purpose is being an example. That's a revelation that I have had, right reading the scriptures, I my life is an example to others, right. So there are certain things that I am doing no, or I have found myself being led down this path, only to be an example to others looking on my life. So I live my life intentionally being this example to persons not trying to put up a pretense I try to be very direct, I try to be very open with who I do business with how I treat others, I try not to be one way with some persons and another another way with other persons, I try to live an open life, so everybody can see who I really am. And it has been a part of my life that I am, I am an example, I can't escape it. So I would find that some some of my friends would get away with certain things. And as soon as I tried to do that, I can't get away. Because I'm just an example to others. And I'm not even trying to, to be an example. But I found myself in situations where a person's just listened to what I say persons are those watching the persons are just, you know, looking at my life, and I'm not I'm not trying, and sometimes I've even tried to escape this this outcome. But you know, persons always, you know, look at my life to see, you know, you know, how did you reach here? What are you doing? You know, what, what do you think about this? So that is something that has been in my mind, and it's something I am working intentionally towards no to say that. If I'm an example, what kind of example am I? Am I an example, as a Christian? Am I an example, as a businessman? Am I an example, as an employee, am I an example, as a leader, and so on? I'm knowing that during to say, what kind of example am I and how do I continue to walk in this?
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 44:31
Thank you. So if I understood correctly, without even intentionally trying to be an example, you notice that people pay attention to you. Notice what you're doing. Listen to your words, and ask you your opinion and what you're doing and your advice. And there were situations where your friends are able to do what would be the wrong thing and get away with it. But You cannot do that. And therefore part of your calling is that you are an example. And therefore you're aware of the kind of example you are, in whatever role you are in, and you try to be the best person you can be, and the right role model and example to others. Is this a correct understanding? That is correct, as easy as correct. Thank you and to ask you something I'm curious about, because I know, okay, this is a bit different. And maybe part of your calling is to stay in Jamaica. But you said it's a difficult and hard place to be. And to navigate it is difficult, especially if you're being an example and not getting away with things probably, I don't know, you know, better. But in systems theory, they say that often, the biggest hindrance and block a blockage for a system to thrive is the environment, that if you take a system and put it in a better environment, it will grow much more and produce much better results, and have much bigger impact. So why did you choose to continue living in Jamaica, while with your abilities, and with your skills, and knowledge and wisdom, you could live somewhere where you can have even more impact, and where things will be not as difficult.
Stephen Campbell 46:38
That's, that's very interesting as these because I have thought about leaving, myself and my wife, we have discussed, leaving, you know, I have done a research about leaving, and we have looked into many different countries, you know, that's something that we eventually want to look into, you know, explore living somewhere else. But going back to the first set of points that we were making, living that purpose driven life, and not necessarily chasing, when I was doing my research about changing my environment, I realized that that's not where I was supposed to be. And that's not where I'm supposed to be, right? No, because that door would have opened, you know, I've, I've tried to see what would happen if I took certain steps, and the door remains closed. So I took that as an indication that I am needed here in my country. So a part of navigating being in such a difficult place. And, you know, I don't know if other Jamaicans a majority of Jamaicans would share my perspective. I know, some persons might be comfortable. But I think that a lot of other Jamaicans share this, being in a third world country that we are, and in light of COVID, as well, how I have navigated, being here, and dealing with the hardship is changing my perspective on what it is like to live in a country like this. So the regular road is to get an education, you know, get a stable job, and, you know, start acquiring things that would make your life more comfortable. And a part of doing that is, you know, taking loans, you know, take out a car loan, get a mortgage, and so on and start to build life. What if someone kind of changed my perspective on that? And I am no thinking, How can I live here, contribute in a positive way, but work internationally, live here, work internationally. And the concept of remote work is something that came to me and I've done a remote job while I was here, working for a company in the US. And there are indications that that is a way of how to go about being in a country like the one in both having your skills used internationally without being there physically. And the medium, and the means by which that happens is the internet. It's very, it's very simple. And, you know, just looking at what is available on the internet and what is possible on the internet. No, that is literally the future of how we will do business and work on it is already happening. Hold on COVID 19 has expedited that process. So I was looking down down the line saying maybe the next decade doing internet He says would would be the norm. But you know, COVID-19 kind of brought that closer to home. And it's being done in many other countries normally, but, you know, a lot of the developing countries are just coming to know that, hey, this is how you get out of being stuck using your skills and the talents that have been placed inside of you to, to contribute value to an international community. And that's how I have dealt with it.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 50:32
Thank you, yes, using your skills to contribute value to an international community, using the internet, because especially COVID-19, expedited and made that process be now rather than something evolving in the next decade, whether it's remote work, or doing an online business, or launching your no code, and shipping your project and doing your SASS or anything like that. That is now something that means you can be located anywhere, and there is no more the excuse of saying I live somewhere with less opportunities, or where navigating the place is difficult. Because as long as you have the internet, you are everywhere and nowhere at once. And your opportunities are limitless. Is this correct?
Stephen Campbell 51:33
That's correct as these that's definitely correct.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 51:36
So in many ways, internet is NZT.
Stephen Campbell 51:42
Exactly, exactly.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 51:45
Okay to end, and this could go on for a long, long time, I wish for you, if you had any additional pieces of advice, or one thing that you didn't speak about, but you feel that maybe it could touch someone's heart, at any level, that is listening right now, please share that and add, if people want to communicate with you discuss more and learn more about what you're doing, what is the best place or two or three to connect with you?
Stephen Campbell 52:18
Okay, so I will just give one of my greatest drivers are the thing that caused me to be purpose filled, or go after being purposeful is I always think of what is life is about, you know, what is this really about? After my entire life? What will I look back on to say, you know, I have lived a life that was filled with purpose. And just thinking that way, every day, I get up going after what is meaningful, instead of what tries to enrich me physically, you know, what tries to get money in the bank, but I'm trying to always look at the long term, entire life of purpose. Right. And it's very, it's very needful to focus on the physical and get what needs to be done. Done. That's very needful, and it's very necessary, but also looking at the long term. What Why am I here? What am I about? Who am I? Those questions when I think of that, it always motivates me in a direction of being purpose filled, and called by God. If if persons want to reach out to me, I am on Twitter stipple Campbell, underscore Ste. P, O. Ca, MP e ll underscore, that's my user. Name. I'm on LinkedIn as Steven Campbell as well. You can reach out to me they're a professional platform, that those are the main ways you can get through to me, but you know, I would encourage persons listening to this, to think about themselves think about their lives, and think about why they were created.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 54:29
Thank you. Those are words, both filled with wisdom, and indicating the direction of wisdom. So it's a great conclusion to this episode. And I know people will value it and I look forward to doing this. Again, I wish you a brilliant, purposeful, meaningful day.
Stephen Campbell 54:55
Thank you very much as these and these questions blew me away. I I'm so amazed that how you conducted this interview. Thank you so much for having me.
Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 55:06
You're welcome.
